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Obama..the only viable candidate for 2012

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  • Started 1 year ago by politicalsentry
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  1. Däv
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    @politicalsentry: IMO, it's best that Occupy doesn't take any overt official position regarding the 2012 election. If we back any candidate, it ruins our integrity and will absolutely split the movement and lose support. If we back a third party, same result. Individuals within Occupy are going to vote and not vote as they please regardless of what any GA at any level tells them to do. We should make the obvious decision which allows them to do this and maintains the integrity of the movement. That is no decision whatsoever. This is a social movement, not an electoral campaign.

    Also, given the recentlt discovered methane hydrate plumes in the Arctic ocean (http://updatednews.ca/2011/12/14/giant-plumes-of-methane-bubbling-to-surface-of-arctic-ocean/) I'm not so certain that we have 5 years. Electoral politics will not fix our environmental problems. Only massive and immediate habitual and institutional action can.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. RayBanz
    Member

    We need so many new paradigms. Obama has already discredited his oath of office by his expressed withdrawal of veto over NDAA. So he is no longer trustworty. It's really that simple. What will he do with SOPA? Elected representatives who have supported the suppression of Amendments 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 should be impeached. Yes, that's slow but it would send the message and monkeywrench the campaigning considerably in a number of ways. As long as we wish to avoid more militant efforts, we should expose the betrayers in every legal channel.

    It is mandatory that we all ask questions and discuss. Also to assess and re-assess all the time. Any vanguard must always be challenging it's motives and actions as situations are evolving.

    Our nation and the world, politically and environmentally, has never been at such a critical point, so our political introspection, action, and intention has to be, in my opinion, tolerant of new ideas and ever-curious. We have to continually ask ourselves
    1 What is working and why 2 How could that have worked even better? 3. What didnt work and why ? 4 How do we do that differently? These are typical in any After Action Review. ( AAR ) Taking the time is worth it.

    These have to be examined without blame and with a commitment to constantly improving and modifying actions as needed, on the fly. And goes without saying that one agrees to 'Never Give Up'.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. politicalsentry
    Member

    The NDAA does not apply to US citizens. Page 362. Read the bill. It does not consider US citizens "enemies" of the state. It says in the bill that the Constitution governs. Your rights did not change in any way. The downside of the bill is of course, the money.

    Eventually Occupy is going to have to produce the change it wants. The only way to do that is to get candidates elected to Congress. Elizabeth Warren is one such candidate. In 2012, the people, not necessarily the movement, are going to have back Obama. IF the people don't vote for him they are essentially voting in a Republican which is the most counter-intuitive situation possible. We cannot afford that.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Paul Phelps
    Member

    Elizabeth Warren I agree with. Obama still no. NDAA does allow indefinite detention of Americans fyi.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. politicalsentry
    Member

    Paul you're wrong. Read the bill. Page 362.

    (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require- ment to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    15 16 AND 17

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. politicalsentry
    Member

    And Paul, you're saying you'd rather have a Republican: probably Romney?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. tmrykalo
    Member

    I am torn. I have been disappointed by Obama and the Democratic Party. I voted for Democratic candidates that didn't excite me in previous elections (Al Gore) because I believed in the importance of my one vote and I was fearful of the consequences of the lack of my vote contributing to four years of being ravaged by the Republican agenda (the Bush administration was truly frightening). I admonished liberal friends who didn't vote that year.
    But how important is my one vote if other voters are apathetic and/or they swallow the media construction of their realities? Ultimately I resign myself to voting for Obama again although he too is embedded in our corporate-interest driven system of government. The simple truth is there are some real policy differences between democrats and republicans as other posts have described. But my vote has to be paired with meaningful systemic change. There needs to be a sustained effort of long-term organizing, civic engagement and the political education of a cross-section of the masses, not just like-minded people on this blog. OWS offers us an opportunity to do that by building on its momentum.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. gliftor
    Member

    Obama's presidency has served an important purpose; it has shown that the two-party system that we have today is completely worthless. The country is more likely to survive four years with Michele Bachmann as president than forty more years with a Democratic party that continues to support the plutocracy and the military-industrial complex. Either we let the Democratic party as we know it be destroyed, or we have no way to change anything until the whole American system destroys itself.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. areuserious
    Member

    Wow, Politicalsentry(with the exception of a few points by tmrykalo) is the only one who seems to live in reality here. Its very sad when you claim to believe in a movement like occupy yet are considering letting the Repuiblicans take office. Is this for real?
    Romney IS the 1%! The others openly mock your efforts and you would consider letting these nut cases run this country again? Don't forget who pushed our country into the position were in, in the first place.
    Obama may not be your savior but he's clearly not the enemy.

    One of these men WILL be president at the end of this, and it could be the Democrat hat is. Taking tax breaks away from business's that are shipping YOUR jobs over seas, or it can be the guy that's shipping them over seas, and believes Corporations are people and defends the 1% by saying the 99% "are just envious" and don't work hard enough.

    Think about what you are doing and what you really believe in. I don't want to speak for the entire movement but if you are for the Republicans you are against the core beliefs of this movement.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. RayBanz
    Member

    Occupy is non-partisan and to reduce action into the 'lesser of two evils" election lose-lose paradigm yet again is to overlook possibilities. We must look stop being crippled by either - or thinking. It freezes the mind. rEvolution not REactionary. Look for
    new ways. Pull out the dominoe that allows the status quo to maytag again, again, again.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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