Living in reality, we have to admit that the electoral system gives us the choice between fake conservatives and a fake progressive, and will deliver a real servant of corporate interests no matter whom we elect. It's very sad when people who claim to support a movement that says "NO" to politics as usual - whether an Occupy movement or a Tea Party movement - are manipulated into supporting one of the fakes.
Obama..the only viable candidate for 2012
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areuserious
MemberWhat's REALLY sad is when you have been manipulated into believing squating in a park or screaming through a bullhorn is really going to inspire any real political change. Not hatin just sayin.
You are a fool if you believe this or any other movement is going to tear down and rebuild our governing structure. Its possible to alter and change what we have but you will never revolutionize it.
As I said, 1 of these men will be president. Ill take the one pseudo on my side over the one that flaunts how much he is not.
You've gotten the attention of the world, Now do something with it.
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gliftor
MemberIf we're serious about any kind of change, we have to think long-term. The Right was thinking long-term back in 1970 when it went to work "educating" liberalism almost out of existence. What it has accomplished since then is really incredible. It has shifted the language and thinking of American politics from a point where Richard Nixon had to pose an an environmentalist, to our current state in which Barack Obama has to pay homage to Calvin Coolidge economic theory (in the middle of a crisis that demonstrated the utter worthlessness of that theory!) There was no structural revolution - there was only a highly-focused effort to change the terms of political discussion.
We saw in the 08 election how little change the Democratic party can offer. The reelection of Obama is of trivial value compared to the possibility of changing the discussion - which is the one thing an Occupy movement can attempt to do. There's nothing we can do to change the Republicans. But if the Democrats can be made to see that they can't count on the progressives' votes without making serious attempts to implement progressive policies, that will be one step - out of many necessary steps - in the right direction.
Posted 1 year ago # -
A couple of things:
1. People here who are arguing that their voting behavior for this 2012 presidential election will be AGAINST Obama in some way are likely not who you think they are. Visit http://www.facebook.com/KarlRoveAndOps and read a few posts to understand exactly what I mean, and don't be fooled by moles.
2. You may not think so, but there is no more important election in your lifetime, and it all centers on the Supreme Court and Citizen's United.
IF ROMNEY WINS: we have 3 or 4 conservative SCOTUS replacements over the next 4 years giving the court a CONSERVATIVE majority for the next 15 to 20 years.
IF OBAMA WINS: we have 3 or 4 liberal SCOTUS replacements over the next 4 years, giving the court a LIBERAL majority for the next 15 to 20 years.
IF YOU AUTHENTICALLY THINK SOMEONE OTHER THAN ROMNEY OR OBAMA CAN POSSIBLY WIN, YOU ARE A COMPLETE MATHEMATICAL IDIOT AND HAVE YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP YOUR ASS YOU ARE STARVING YOUR BRAIN OF OXYGEN.
How would you like Citizen's United to be the law of the land over the next 15 to 20 years? If that sounds terrible to you, AND IT SHOULD, you better vote pragmatically for Obama.
To see the above info graphically, see http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6571/scotusromneyobama260dpi.jpg
Posted 11 months ago #
